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the original amount of this grant, the grant actually came to us in two parts. back in december 2011 the board approved a first amount of money for this grant which was about $200,000. and then a few weeks ago we got a call from homeland security saying they had an additional $82,000 did we think we could spend it and we said yes we can. so, that is what is in froth of you today. it is the additional 82 that they would like to give us. there was no local match required. it's free money for san francisco. there's no new positions created. and i'd be happy to answer any questions you may have. >> thank you. colleagues, any questions? okay, thank you very much, ms. alden. again, we have no vla report. at this point like to open up to public comment. if there are any members of the public that would wish to comment on item number 2, please step forward. seeing none, public comment is closed. >> motion to approve. >> we have a motion to approve item number 2, we have a second and we can do that without opposition. mr. clerk, can you please call item number 3? >> item
the original amount of this grant, the grant actually came to us in two parts. back in december 2011 the board approved a first amount of money for this grant which was about $200,000. and then a few weeks ago we got a call from homeland security saying they had an additional $82,000 did we think we could spend it and we said yes we can. so, that is what is in froth of you today. it is the additional 82 that they would like to give us. there was no local match required. it's free money for san...
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and is still a very modern use. and so we are very grateful to the giants for finding such a terrific and local partner and we are looking forward to welcoming them after you get your various approvals hopefully as early as 2014. and that was wonderful news and we commend you for that and thank you for including all of us at the port of the event. our own sadness for the day was that it was not a post 5:00 event, so that we could all enjoy the new product that will be moving to the water front, but i assume that there will be time for that. just another ribbon cutting. >> okay. next what i would like to mention is we are going to have a street closure this friday night beginning at 10 p.m. that is march the first and running until 5:00 p p.m. on the northbound and embarcadero from pier 38 to bryant street and that is for more cement to be poured at the project. there will be 500 cubic yards of cement poured, representing one sixth of the deck and this is one of the most critical pours and once it is set we can open
and is still a very modern use. and so we are very grateful to the giants for finding such a terrific and local partner and we are looking forward to welcoming them after you get your various approvals hopefully as early as 2014. and that was wonderful news and we commend you for that and thank you for including all of us at the port of the event. our own sadness for the day was that it was not a post 5:00 event, so that we could all enjoy the new product that will be moving to the water front,...
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and then the use of the general re serve of 32.2 million. we are assuming you will need to use all of that reserve in order to balance the budget. and then the deposits to reserves, because of our increases to revenue, amount to 11 million. so, that brings us to a projected fund balance estimate of 174 million. as i mentioned before, 103 million of that was already committed to the year two. and the replenishment of the general re serve that we will be using this year needs to be incorporated in next year's budget, leaving us with a projected surplus of $38 million. so, the next slide provides you with a summary of our major tax revenue in the city and it shows you where the bulk of that surplus 72 million come from. and that is property transfer taxes, about $21 million over the budget as we are taking a look at the cash we've received thus far and estimating how much additional property tax revenue we will get for the reminder of the year. our second-largest is -- yes. >> if we can go back to the previous slide, the projected surplus, 38.3
and then the use of the general re serve of 32.2 million. we are assuming you will need to use all of that reserve in order to balance the budget. and then the deposits to reserves, because of our increases to revenue, amount to 11 million. so, that brings us to a projected fund balance estimate of 174 million. as i mentioned before, 103 million of that was already committed to the year two. and the replenishment of the general re serve that we will be using this year needs to be incorporated...
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be more interested in not the hazardous soil will be more the health department and it would not be us for hazardous it would be health department than building department and i think that i am right in saying that. i know that at the point development the health department was the lead agency in that and a lot of soil testing and dust and that type of thing and so we always do, and you are right. normally it has more to do with the geo tech than they are hazardous. okay. >> but we will accept the report if it has that in there. so it was part of the special inspection. >> so inspector duffy, which does the health department actually get involved with the work that they have performed triggered the health department to be involved in this? or for the testing of the soil, i am not sure, we have contacted them and i am not sure how they got involved to be honest with you, but i know that they have been involved in the past in the testing of soils. the hazardous. but i think that someone said earlier was that the science test was conducted and from rolo. and i am not sure who even or who
be more interested in not the hazardous soil will be more the health department and it would not be us for hazardous it would be health department than building department and i think that i am right in saying that. i know that at the point development the health department was the lead agency in that and a lot of soil testing and dust and that type of thing and so we always do, and you are right. normally it has more to do with the geo tech than they are hazardous. okay. >> but we will...
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it's used in other government agencies as well. regarding the marijuana card. that's kind of an issue. the appellant did get a state of california medical marijuana identification card. we don't accept that as valid identification. why? it's not on the board now but you see it's it has a photo and id number. that's it. so it has a website there. if you run the id number it comes back and it just says "valid". that's not sufficient government identification. also the department of public health accepted the appellant's expired california id as proof of identity, so the police department will not be able to accept that. in fairness to the public as a valid identification . in conclusion the police department asks this commission to deny the appeal or in the alternative continue this hearing to allow the appellant to arrange for valid government identification submitted. i will answer any questions. >> i have a question. do you know as whether the process of getting a medical marijuana card there is a background check conducted? >> i don't have that information. >
it's used in other government agencies as well. regarding the marijuana card. that's kind of an issue. the appellant did get a state of california medical marijuana identification card. we don't accept that as valid identification. why? it's not on the board now but you see it's it has a photo and id number. that's it. so it has a website there. if you run the id number it comes back and it just says "valid". that's not sufficient government identification. also the department of...
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kothari doing business as as the chai chart versus the department of public works bureau of street use and mapping. application nato 12mff0083. is the appellant in the room? i do not see the apellant in the room and we have not seen the appellant here this evening. we have the department here. if you would like to have the department speak? >> sure. >> good evening commissioners. john kwong from the department of public works once again. in this specific case for this permit for the service of chai tea at 79 new montgomery, the department denied in it this case for like foods. in the evaluation there is a starbucks coffee and jumba juice, who serve similar types of drinks it's relates to tai chi or chai coffee in this case. we denied it and we believe in the evaluation what was appropriate based upon the guidelines. thank you. >> thank you. is there any public comment? i'm going to give you two. i'm barry hearing it right now. >> eke. i also have 102-degree fever. i would like my three minutes. thank you. >> i have to give you two. >> you can have three. let's not fight about this. go
kothari doing business as as the chai chart versus the department of public works bureau of street use and mapping. application nato 12mff0083. is the appellant in the room? i do not see the apellant in the room and we have not seen the appellant here this evening. we have the department here. if you would like to have the department speak? >> sure. >> good evening commissioners. john kwong from the department of public works once again. in this specific case for this permit for the...
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turning this into condos or that somehow he is by living in his unit it is there for somehow illegally using this unit for whatever reason it is not considered a separate single unit. they have, in fact, admitted that they planned to do rent increases. if this were... mr. zaches just said on the record that they were going to increase his rent. as a single family home the rent could be increased without limitation whatsoever. mr. hyman could go to paying five times his rent. and this would be a defacto eviction. >> we would have him stipulate no rent increase. and we ask that this board as a condition of approving these permits, if they are not going to deny them, that the owner put on the record he will not do any sort of no-fault eviction on my client and will be or abide by the rent control increases if this was a rental unit in a multiunit dwelling not in a single family home which has no rent increase limitations. >> glad stone. >> first of all, i want you to think about what mr. duffy just said he said that it does not look like a three-unit building, i agree, we do not main thayne tha
turning this into condos or that somehow he is by living in his unit it is there for somehow illegally using this unit for whatever reason it is not considered a separate single unit. they have, in fact, admitted that they planned to do rent increases. if this were... mr. zaches just said on the record that they were going to increase his rent. as a single family home the rent could be increased without limitation whatsoever. mr. hyman could go to paying five times his rent. and this would be a...
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>>i would like to say thank you to come to speak to us today. it's clear to me that you bring that same commitment and passion and drive to this position that you brought to all of your other previous positions with the city and i think we're lucky to have you at hope. i would ask you if you can repeat the number one more time and i am sure people want to reach you415. >> -554-5646and bevan. dufty at sfgov .org and i have a team of three individuals that work with me. we love going to anyplace and invite us to come and see something or participate and i will share with director johnson information both about the cell phone life lines and ways that we can partner together. i think it's very exciting to do things together. i will try to think of individuals who have overcome adversity to be successful in programs that might be good to bring to your attention, and you can certainly help me in this work, and as i said just even if it's appropriate and you send a letter to chp to say that you have consistent advocacy around smoke free environments an
>>i would like to say thank you to come to speak to us today. it's clear to me that you bring that same commitment and passion and drive to this position that you brought to all of your other previous positions with the city and i think we're lucky to have you at hope. i would ask you if you can repeat the number one more time and i am sure people want to reach you415. >> -554-5646and bevan. dufty at sfgov .org and i have a team of three individuals that work with me. we love going...
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. >> take us through the process to change it from a single family to two units. you would have to go through the planning and the parking is an issue, just because someone puts a kitchen in there it does not make a legal unit. unless you have the building permit to do so. i really what probably annoys me and everybody is that the unit changes on building permits and someone puts in three we give them a permit for three, i wish that it was better or it should be clear are and this is going back 70 or 80 years ago, it is very difficult, but and then when the people are living there a long time and the gentleman buys it, i don't know if i would have wanted maybe the commissioner if you had walked it you may would have disagreed being a realtor and it is hard to believe that it is three units but he probably bought the property and whether he knew or not. but it is what it is. but the building permit wise, i do in the see a permit to go from one to two, or two to three or three back to one. it is jumbeled. >> is there any public comment on this item? >> okay, seeing
. >> take us through the process to change it from a single family to two units. you would have to go through the planning and the parking is an issue, just because someone puts a kitchen in there it does not make a legal unit. unless you have the building permit to do so. i really what probably annoys me and everybody is that the unit changes on building permits and someone puts in three we give them a permit for three, i wish that it was better or it should be clear are and this is...
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why is it only us? i would like anybody to come and see us. we have a 99 score with the health department. so we're not here to cheat anybody or wheat the government or do anything like that. if we came in the wrong way, we apologize for that. it's not only us. it's a lost people doing that. it's a cultural thing. we need to try to see how we can resolve this. we will stop the hooka and comply with the rules. >> on january 13th do you deny smoking was taking place in your restaurant? >> personally i wasn't there, if she says, so i will not deny that. >> thank you. >> miss young. >> we would only like to say that marrakech is a restaurant with employees. marrakech must comply with both california labor code and the san francisco health code and each time environmental health has visited the restaurant, patrons were not purchasing tobacco products only, but allowed to smoke inside the restaurant. when i spoke to the owners directly, marrakech owners and operators made the choice to ignore environmental health's warnings and marrakech owners and
why is it only us? i would like anybody to come and see us. we have a 99 score with the health department. so we're not here to cheat anybody or wheat the government or do anything like that. if we came in the wrong way, we apologize for that. it's not only us. it's a lost people doing that. it's a cultural thing. we need to try to see how we can resolve this. we will stop the hooka and comply with the rules. >> on january 13th do you deny smoking was taking place in your restaurant?...
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let us know. the housing collaborative i'm not going to say anything about because one of the board members karen is going to talk about that and computer classes. we have a wonderful lab -- how many do we have now? i want to say about 10 or 12 computers. we have three classes but people really learn at their own pace and what is amazing with our class and people come in and there is instruction and how to turn on the computer and not be squared to touch it and people can go as far as they want and people come regularly into the lab when there is not a class going on and they're typing in microsoft word. we had someone fighting an eviction with the land landlord there or use email and facebook and get to know other people and that is another one of our programs. we have a monthly general meeting we call it and everyone is welcome to come to that. we always meet on the second thursday of each month and from 10 to 12. we meet at the unitarian church at franklin and geary and each month we have a dif
let us know. the housing collaborative i'm not going to say anything about because one of the board members karen is going to talk about that and computer classes. we have a wonderful lab -- how many do we have now? i want to say about 10 or 12 computers. we have three classes but people really learn at their own pace and what is amazing with our class and people come in and there is instruction and how to turn on the computer and not be squared to touch it and people can go as far as they want...
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i think that's not for us to communicate to you here. you have made your submission. we have received it. >> it's shameful not to be able to answer a question as to whether briefs which are encouraged and your rules have been read. it becomes an idle gesture, an idle act of the not only was the president absent on that date but thereby lost interaction with him and the benefits and comments by her. you never secondly disclosed those three who were present whether or not you read the brief which your rules encouraged us to take time and effort to file. you never responded to the matter of illegal action by the dismissed zoning administrator who on november seven, 2008 unilaterally changed a fundamental condition in violation of the san francisco planning code without notice to the neighbors, us. unlike all four other letters of determination issued by that particular zoning administration. and a rebuilt park merced with 8,900 units, another the 3,000 units that exist now, and 18,000 more or less people residing there, not the 6,000 who reside there now requires a new e
i think that's not for us to communicate to you here. you have made your submission. we have received it. >> it's shameful not to be able to answer a question as to whether briefs which are encouraged and your rules have been read. it becomes an idle gesture, an idle act of the not only was the president absent on that date but thereby lost interaction with him and the benefits and comments by her. you never secondly disclosed those three who were present whether or not you read the brief...
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honda i don't understand why there is a door there that you don't really use. >> [ speaking in a foreign lanuage ] >> i leave that originally it was a deck and there was a rail around it. >> that was... when they were doing the work those were the permits. >> you asked the question and i am just responding to that. >> you asked the question, why is there a door there. >> and i am just saying there is a door there because there was a deck. >> i thought that you were telling me that was the existing. >> no. >> i got you. >> my question to you is that if the perimeter of the deck, the former deck had no longer a guardrail, so it is not legal for somebody to be out there, except for main nens purposes. >> so the two windows are going to remain and the windows are going to remain. i am going to ask you if that is acceptable that is that is the door now has a permanent guardrail on the outside of it so people cannot just walk through. they have have to climb over the guardrail to access the deck. >> isn't that dangerous, i don't care how high the guardrail is going to be, it is a door that can
honda i don't understand why there is a door there that you don't really use. >> [ speaking in a foreign lanuage ] >> i leave that originally it was a deck and there was a rail around it. >> that was... when they were doing the work those were the permits. >> you asked the question and i am just responding to that. >> you asked the question, why is there a door there. >> and i am just saying there is a door there because there was a deck. >> i thought...
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let us also be clear we love cafe floor. we've heard from many neighbors they love cafe floor, too, and they don't want it closed. neither do we. it is an important venue and neighborhood culture. [speaker not understood]. since that time he's been able to get multiple changes to the law. mr. weiss said that have increased his possibility, including the allowance of live music and granting of a liquor license for full bar. [speaker not understood] could be profitable without the kitchen across the street and transport [speaker not understood], a process we final frankly disturbing to watch and leaves us scratching our heads how [speaker not understood] could find it healthy. [speaker not understood]. as mr. weiss also mentioned it is a matter of public record mr. [speaker not understood] dunkelberg pay property tax and only worked out a payment plan with the city when the restaurant was about to be auctioned off. [speaker not understood]. [speaker not understood]. in short the ordinance as proposed lacks merit. [speaker not
let us also be clear we love cafe floor. we've heard from many neighbors they love cafe floor, too, and they don't want it closed. neither do we. it is an important venue and neighborhood culture. [speaker not understood]. since that time he's been able to get multiple changes to the law. mr. weiss said that have increased his possibility, including the allowance of live music and granting of a liquor license for full bar. [speaker not understood] could be profitable without the kitchen across...
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arcelia hurtado and darryl honda and ann lazarus is absent this evening and we have our staff joining us this evening. i am cynthia goldstein. i am the board's executive director and are joined with want dids that have cases before the board tonight. scott sanchez is here. john quan is here management of the public works. jarvis is here with taxis and municipal services and katherine markum is here from the san francisco police department department bureau. at this time if you could go over the meeting guidelines and conduct the swearing in process. >> the board requests that you turn off all phones and pagers. please carry on conversations in the hallway. the board rules of presentation are as follows. each side has even minutes to present their case and people affiliated with the parties must be in this time and members of the public have three minutes to address the board but no rebuttals. to assist the members members are asked but not required to speaker card or business card to staff when you come up to the podium. speaker cards and pens are available on the left side of the podium
arcelia hurtado and darryl honda and ann lazarus is absent this evening and we have our staff joining us this evening. i am cynthia goldstein. i am the board's executive director and are joined with want dids that have cases before the board tonight. scott sanchez is here. john quan is here management of the public works. jarvis is here with taxis and municipal services and katherine markum is here from the san francisco police department department bureau. at this time if you could go over the...
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i would like to use the overhead. commissioners you may recall what you are seeing right now is actually a section through the original permit set. the building has been reduced 2' in height. comparing apples-to-apples. our other drawings measured height, the way the planning code does it to the roof. there is a 6" difference. basically the roof has been lowered two feet in what is being proposed now. the front wall on the 4th floor has been setback 2' 6", this whole stair assembly in orange has been removed. as a kind of compensating factor the front bay window was moved forward about a foot. but reduced in width by 9". and then at the kind of first living level there was a pop-out inserted which projects another 5' 6" beyond what the stair assembly had. there is a stair going down to the yard. that section basically shows the changes that have been made. here is a rear yard again. the existing stair assembly, and what has been added, approximately 2' and 5 '6" on the second-floor pop-out. in the front just to clarif
i would like to use the overhead. commissioners you may recall what you are seeing right now is actually a section through the original permit set. the building has been reduced 2' in height. comparing apples-to-apples. our other drawings measured height, the way the planning code does it to the roof. there is a 6" difference. basically the roof has been lowered two feet in what is being proposed now. the front wall on the 4th floor has been setback 2' 6", this whole stair assembly in...
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implementing vetting processes for using the data to evaluate the reasonableness of the bonds. to continue working with 311 to make sure the calls are appropriately routed to the whistle blower program so we get the calls to the program so we can keep the whistle blower program working well, and making sure we publicize the availability of the whistle blower program to all of the employees working for the city so that we can again make sure that we have people who are free from fear who feel they can use the program and they know it exist disps they're educated to what it means to use the whistle blower program. so what do we see in the future of our committee? well, one of the things we will have a report for you that will show the community engagement best practices, the results of that study, and also the design review best practices project, and we hope that will help to develop recommendations to the relevant stakeholders and of course that would include the supervisors when they're looking over the various projects they're considering doing with general obligation bonds a
implementing vetting processes for using the data to evaluate the reasonableness of the bonds. to continue working with 311 to make sure the calls are appropriately routed to the whistle blower program so we get the calls to the program so we can keep the whistle blower program working well, and making sure we publicize the availability of the whistle blower program to all of the employees working for the city so that we can again make sure that we have people who are free from fear who feel...
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. >> we have item that 17 in front of us. can we take a role? >> (calling roll for items). there 11 i's. and it's passed. why don't we go to our next item >> i want to thank imply co-sponsor. >> we have an brif item it is a resolution commending february 27th and to declare in russian day. >> we have a motion could we have a second to that? >> is there any public comment on this item? okay seeing none, it is closed >> this is adapted. >> yes. today's meeting will be adjourned for the late anthony on behalf of the supervisor kim mr. diane sullivan and ms. charley. >> thank you, madam clerk is there anything else? >> no other agenda. >> thank you. this meeting is . >> good morning. welcome to the government audit and oversight committee. i am carmen chu, chair of the committee. i am joined by our cochair malia cohen and david campos. our clerk today is here and we have sfgtv here. madam clerk do you have any announcements today? >> please silent all electronic devices and cell phones and all copies part of the file somebody submitted to the clerk. each member of the public wi
. >> we have item that 17 in front of us. can we take a role? >> (calling roll for items). there 11 i's. and it's passed. why don't we go to our next item >> i want to thank imply co-sponsor. >> we have an brif item it is a resolution commending february 27th and to declare in russian day. >> we have a motion could we have a second to that? >> is there any public comment on this item? okay seeing none, it is closed >> this is adapted. >> yes....
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thank you for taking time out it talk to us about what you do and the love with which you do it. we appreciate your time here on quick bites. i hope you've enjoyed our delicious tale of defendant 93 and dessert. as for me, my search is over. those reviews did not lie. in fact, i'm thinking of one of my very own. some things you just have it experience for yourself. to learn more about anthony's cookies, visit him on the web at anthoniescookies.com. if you want to watch some of our other episodes at sfquickbites/tumbler.com. see . >> good morning. welcome to the government audit and oversight committee. i am carmen chu, chair of the committee. i am joined by our cochair malia cohen and david campos. our clerk today is here and we have sfgtv here. madam clerk do you have any announcements today? >> please silent all electronic devices and cell phones and all copies part of the file somebody submitted to the clerk. each member of the public will be allowed the same amount of time to speak and will appear on the agenda unless otherwise stated. >> thank you very much. will you call it
thank you for taking time out it talk to us about what you do and the love with which you do it. we appreciate your time here on quick bites. i hope you've enjoyed our delicious tale of defendant 93 and dessert. as for me, my search is over. those reviews did not lie. in fact, i'm thinking of one of my very own. some things you just have it experience for yourself. to learn more about anthony's cookies, visit him on the web at anthoniescookies.com. if you want to watch some of our other...
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the appropriate use of the property does seem to be as a single family dwelling. so that is all my comments the planning code 317 does not apply here and neither does the loss of dwelling units or section 311 for notification because they are correcting a violation on the property. >> if they were to add the unit we would do notification and i am available for questions >> thank you, mr. duffy. >> commissioners, i feel like i have a lot to say but maybe i should see if the people have questions. there is a lot been said and a lot of pain from both sides here. the permit history is mixed. i think i agree with mr. boscavich i believe if i was doing what i called the unit clarification where the properties are unknown and we get handed all of the paperwork and we generally do start with that spring valley water department it is a accurate record. we do rely on it a lot to try to start especially something that is over 100 years old and i have i think that you saw the document that it says, one family. the 1923 permit, i believe was it talks about a cottage. i did not
the appropriate use of the property does seem to be as a single family dwelling. so that is all my comments the planning code 317 does not apply here and neither does the loss of dwelling units or section 311 for notification because they are correcting a violation on the property. >> if they were to add the unit we would do notification and i am available for questions >> thank you, mr. duffy. >> commissioners, i feel like i have a lot to say but maybe i should see if the...
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although, what i found in past years is that some of these departments don't transfer them to us, and so closer to year end and i am hoping that the three percent will be less than what is projected currently. we are looking at surplus in the filing feline item which is nice and we are seeing a slight increase of the number of appeals filed this year, if that continues we should be seeing about $6,000 in additional money in that line item. so if we combine the shortfall and the surplus in the revenue line items we will look at a year end shortfall of under $20,000 which is about two percent of the projected revenue budget. >> we are working hard to reduce expenditures. we know that the economy has been challenging for the board and the city in general over the last several years and so we are looking for opportunities to reduce the expenses. we did have a clerical staff member leave and held that position for some months open so that we would have salary savings and you met him and he is our new hire. i do think that even though we have an increase in appeal volume, we are going to fi
although, what i found in past years is that some of these departments don't transfer them to us, and so closer to year end and i am hoping that the three percent will be less than what is projected currently. we are looking at surplus in the filing feline item which is nice and we are seeing a slight increase of the number of appeals filed this year, if that continues we should be seeing about $6,000 in additional money in that line item. so if we combine the shortfall and the surplus in the...
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>> what is that you would like us to see? >> it is the industrial design standards. >> industrial design guidelines. >> and they are not in your submission? >> they are and i submitted several others. but the point really is that the guidelines all say the same thing. whether you are talking about the residential design guidelines which the department in its dr analysis there is no guidelines at all that are applicable here. there are guidelines out of the general plans and the guidelines for the industrial areas and for the new soma plant and they all say the same thing, adjacent development in residential areas or residential, not residential areas but adjacent to residential properties should be sensitive and compatible and it is not hard to understand and this particular design element, applicable shows how the rear yards should be configured when the industrial and residential areas meet. and the only thing that makes sense here is to provide a small set back, it will not hurt the next door development. we are not talkin
>> what is that you would like us to see? >> it is the industrial design standards. >> industrial design guidelines. >> and they are not in your submission? >> they are and i submitted several others. but the point really is that the guidelines all say the same thing. whether you are talking about the residential design guidelines which the department in its dr analysis there is no guidelines at all that are applicable here. there are guidelines out of the general...